click to show more information

click to hide/show information About this Show

Piers Morgan Tonight

Newsmakers 2012 News/Business. (2012)

NETWORK
CNN

DURATION
01:00:00

RATING

SCANNED IN
San Francisco, CA, USA

SOURCE
Comcast Cable

TUNER
Virtual Ch. 759 (CNN HD)

VIDEO CODEC
mpeg2video

AUDIO CODEC
ac3

PIXEL WIDTH
1920

PIXEL HEIGHT
1080

TOPIC FREQUENCY

America 16, Us 7, Israel 7, Romney 5, Iran 4, Santa 4, Colorado 4, United States 3, Geico 3, North Carolina 3, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad 3, Washington 3, Aurora 3, Peter King 2, Aleve 2, Sandy 2, Obama 2, Lg 2, Rick Santorum 2, United 2,
Borrow a DVD
of this show
  CNN    Piers Morgan Tonight    Newsmakers 2012   
   News/Business.  (2012)  

    December 25, 2012
    10:00 - 10:59pm PST  

10:00pm
on the loose ♪ oh, yeah ♪ butterflies in the sky, i can go twice as high ♪ take a look, it's in a book, a reading rainbow ♪ a reading rainbow, a reading rainbow, yeah ♪ >> the great jimmy fallon. thank you so much. >> that's it for us tonight. it's been an extraordinary year. thank you for watching. tonight the biggest names of 2012. my conversations with world leaders. >> the question was do you believe that israel --
10:01pm
>> translator: but i will get to that answer, please. don't be in such a hurry. >> do you trust ahmadinejad? >> not on this i don't. >> the word peace is almost become fashionable. >> headline makers. >> this is much more important than any election. >> if the president didn't know exactly what happened, he sure as hell should have. >> candidates -- >> i was the perfect candidate for america. >> what if mitt romney isn't the best person. >> the idea that somehow making a business profitable is different than helping people is really a foreign idea. >> and more. >> it's ridiculously easy for someone to purchase a gun. >> do you think homosexuality is a sin? >> i think that it's -- it's -- it's unnatural. >> did you get up this morning and have a quick -- >> i probably did, i probably did. >> "piers morgan tonight: the newsmakers" starts now. good evening.
10:02pm
one of the great things about my job is that every night i get to sit down with movers and shakers, the men and women at the center of the biggest stories of the year. what do they have in common? they're all utterly fascinating. tonight you'll hear from some of my favorite guests. we'll begin with the big man himself, governor chris christie. he found himself in a bit of hot water for making nice with president obama in the wake of hurricane sandy. >> 2.8 million people without power. i've watched these extraordinary scenes over new jersey today, really quite unprecedented. i've never seen anything quite like it. have you ever seen anything like this in your lifetime? >> no, i haven't. you know, you see sights like the seaside heights board walk where the program "the jersey
10:03pm
shore" is filmed, the board walk is gone. it is gone. music rides, roller coaster ride, in the ocean. it's incredible. homes destroyed. it's an awful thing. >> you've taken charge, as you've always done in these situations, in a very impressive way. people have been surprised you've been so outspokenly supportive and praiseworthy to the president. i'm not surprised knowing you but explain to me why you were happy to do that so close to an election when some might say politically that wasn't the best thing to do. >> this is much more important than any election, piers. this is the livelihood of the people in my state. when the president does this evenings that deserve praise, i will give him praise. when the president does things that deserve scorn, i will give him scorn. people know that about me. i am not going to play politics with this issue. this is so much bigger than an election. this is the livelihood of the
10:04pm
people of my state. people expect me to get the job done. when they ask me a question, i give an honest answer. how has the president been on this? he's been great. >> this killed ambassador christopher stevens, the country's terrorism chief now says it was a terrorist attack. >> clearly the death of ambassador christopher stevens continues to reverberate and the truth or otherwise of the circumstances leading up to his death seem to be pretty vague to put it mildly. where do you think we are with in? >> well, let me tell you what's not vague and that is five days after, five days after the -- what was very quickly determined by the intelligence committee as a terrorist attack, they trotted out our ambassador of the u.n. to every major news outlet saying it was a spontaneous
10:05pm
demonstration because of a hateful video. that's probably one of the worst things that i have ever observed in my life. and obviously there were warnings and obviously anybody who believes an attack with mortars and rocket propelled grenades is the result of a video is just ridiculous. and finally, piers, it's not the video that's stoking these demonstrations, as you know, it's the radical islamists that are using the videos as a means of inflaming passion in the middle east. i'll be damned if i'm ready to abandon the freedom of speech because it might offend the prophet mohamed. >> we've heard calls for ambassador right to resign. are you in favor of that? >> no. that's shooting the messenger. she was told to go out and do that. i blame the secretary of state,
10:06pm
i blame the operatives in the white house and i blame our national security adviser. if the president didn't know exactly what happened, he sure as hell should have. >> cia director david petraeus steps down after admitting to cheating on his wife. tonight new information on his stunning resignation and the latest developments. >> there is a theory that, look, come on, we had great generals, mcarthur, patton, eisenhower, j.f.k., clinton, they all had unfairs. what do you say to that? >> well, i don't think the idea -- the problem is that general petraeus had an affair. i think the idea and the big problem is that he was director of the cia and he walked into right into one of the most blackmailable situations you can have. it's good the u.s. found out about it before the russians or chinese. it's not that he's a general messing around, and according to the code of the justice that's
10:07pm
not allowed. >> teetering on the edge of the fiscal cliff with just 36 days to go until tax increases kick, in the white house and congress are playing a high stakes game of let's make a deal. >> only in america believes there has to be this what i believe to be really farce ical now surely -- the nature of the world is very fast moving, america has huge economic problems, heading for another fiscal cliff, everyone laughing at you from afenway park the american public sick and tired of all the games going on and there are you, grover norquist, a very bright guy still resolutely saying a pledge is a pledge is a pledge, it cannot be broken when many of your own party are now saying you know, what it doesn't make sense to have this irresolute position
10:08pm
anymore. >> two things, the pledge is not for life. but everybody who signed the pledge, including peter king, who tried to weasel out of it -- shame on him as the "new york sun" says tonight. i hope his wife understands commitments last a little longer than two years or something. >> whoa, hang on, hang on. that was a bit below the belt, grover. >> hey, if you think a commitment is not for as long as you make it it for, the commitment for the pledge as peter king well knows when he signed it is as long as you're in congress you will reign in spending and reform government, not raise taxes. it not for 500 years or two generations. it's only as long as you're in the house or the senate. if he stayed too long, that's his problem. but you don't tell the bank, other, the mortgage, wasn't that long time ago? if you make a commitment, you keep it. >> coming up, was mitt romney done in by his own party? when we come back, the republican presidential
10:09pm
candidates who may have inflicted mortal damage on him rather than president obama. >> i'm just going to go back to the empty chair, when i was going to be todd akin, who was going to talk to me about what hide said about rape and women. since it's just the chair, my obvious question would have about why are you such an offensive idiot to women? and the second obvious question, which again has to go to the chair unfortunately, would be why haven't you resigned yet? anyway, let's leave it there, shall we? share everything.
10:10pm
share brotherly love. share one up's. mom ? mom ? the share everything plan. lets your family share a pool of data across 10 devices with unlimited talk and text. get a spectrum 2 by lg for $49.99 a body at rest tends to stay at rest... while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can actually ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain so your body can stay in motion. because just one 200mg celebrex a day can provide 24 hour relief for many with arthritis pain and inflammation. plus, in clinical studies, celebrex is proven to improve daily physical function so moving is easier. celebrex can be taken with or without food.
10:11pm
and it's not a narcotic. you and your doctor should balance the benefits with the risks. all prescription nsaids, like celebrex, ibuprofen, naproxen, and meloxicam have the same cardiovascular warning. they all may increase the chance of heart attack or stroke, which can lead to death. this chance increases if you have heart disease or risk factors such as high blood pressure or when nsaids are taken for long periods. nsaids, including celebrex, increase the chance of serious skin or allergic reactions or stomach and intestine problems, such as bleeding and ulcers, which can occur without warning and may cause death. patients also taking aspirin and the elderly are at increased risk for stomach bleeding and ulcers. do not take celebrex if you've had an asthma attack, hives, or other allergies to aspirin, nsaids or sulfonamides. get help right away if you have swelling of the face or throat, or trouble breathing. tell your doctor your medical history and find an arthritis treatment for you. visit celebrex.com and ask your doctor about celebrex. for a body in motion.
10:12pm
whether i earned your vote or not, i have listened to you. i have learned from you. and you've made me a better president. and with your stories and your struggles, i return to the white house more determined and more inspired than ever about the work there is to do and the future that lies ahead. >> that's president obama delivering his victory speech on election night. in the end the race wasn't even close. maybe mitt romney didn't even have a chance.
10:13pm
his fellow gop contenders feasted on one of their own during the primaries. is it the american way that if somebody gives you a smack on the nose, you eventually have to smack them back? isn't it time now for you to accept that this negativity has pounded you into a position where much as you would like to keep it positive, isn't it time you got the old gingrich fist out and give romney a good ol' smack? >> harry truman in his great reelection campaign that gallup quit taking polls in mid september went after duey and the crowd would yell out "give 'em hell, harry" and he would yell back, "no, i just give them the truth and it hurts like hell." i think governor romney has done so many things that are indefensible in a republican primary -- it would be okay in a democratic primary but in a republican primary it would be indefensible. all i have to do is tell the
10:14pm
truth, i'm not going to go negative. all have i to do is point out facts. i think the next few weeks will a lot of fun. my only request of mitt is that he be honest with the country. >> america clearly needs someone with a good business brain. the economy remains in the tank. you went after mitt romney today about his work at bain capital, you called him a greedy wall street so and so. was that the most sensible position, calling him a vulture? i mean, should you be on that side of the coin, given that you're a successful texas governor, a good businessman yourself? is that the best way to attack him? because if mitt romney now wins the nomination, haven't you just landed barack obama a perfect stick to beat him with? >> well, there is a real difference between a venture capitalist and a vulture capitalist. venture capitalists are good. they go in, they inject their
10:15pm
capital, they create jobs. bain capital, on the other hand, it appears to me were vulture capitalists all too often. i don't get confused for a minute that barack obama and his team wouldn't attack mitt romney on that during a general election if he makes it that way. so if anything else, we're doing mitt a favor by exposing him early on so that he can either figure out how to defend that or, more importantly and better from my perspective, he's not the nominee to begin with. >> rush limbaugh did call a law student a slut and a prostitute for wanting to have insurance covered for her contraception. i presume you wouldn't view what as absurd or entertaining, you'd view that as pretty offensive. >> of course not. of course, as i said before. i want to spend my time talking about how we can grow the economy. what i'd like to talk about which is offensive, which is governor romney out there for
10:16pm
almost a year telling the people in the republican primary that he never advocated that romneycare would be a federal model, that he never advocated for an individual mandate that government at the federal level require people to buy insurance. now we find on several occasions just in the past week article after article, interview after interview where governor romney did just that in 2009. now, to me that's offensive. >> is he a liar then? >> well, this goes to the snobbish issue, which is he clearly did not tell the truth, that you don't necessarily go and, you know, accuse the person on a personal level, you describe the action. i did and i accurately described governor romney did not tell the truth to the republicans at the debates serially telling him -- telling people that he did not do what we now know he did
10:17pm
repeatedly. >> unless i'm mistaken, i think not telling the truth repeatedly is lying, isn't it? >> well, i'll let you frame that one and take responsibility for it. i just said all i'm going to say on this. >> were you disappointed there is not a bona fide tea party can't left in the race? >> we will unify as a party. beshortly will be battening down the hatches on whoever our standard bearer will be. i will be happy to back that candidate. >> my guess is if you all sat down for dinner, the person you would be nodding with would be rick santorum. am i misreading? >> i like rick santorum a lot, i like mitt romney. >> who do you most agree with? >> i my opinions were fairly forth right through the debate
10:18pm
and i felt i was the perfect condition for america but that didn't happen. quite honestly, whatever candidate it, is i will be happy to back. >> presumably mitt romney is the least of the four candidates that you would personally endorse, right, because of his own health care plan wasn't that different. >> i think that's the positive difference that i made in this campaign. now mitt romney's answer is that he will get behind a full scale repeal. no matter who our nominee is, they've all committed verbally to appeal of obama care and it's up to us to hold our nominee's feet to the fire. >> so here's competition. let me put my own doctor hat. if i was prescribing some medicine for you right now, congressman, i would tay tsai the situation is looking pretty terminal for your race to be the gop nominee. why don't you do the decent thing and pull out? why are you staying in the race? >> why don't you do the decent thing and not pest are me with silly questions like that?
10:19pm
i mean that, would be decent of you. >> it wasn't that silly. hang on. the latest gallup poll has you at 9%. >> wait, wait, wait, what you're looking for at delegates and we're doing quite yet. >> let's see how you're doing. mitt military 568 delegates, ron paul 71. >> yeah, okay. what about the states where they're still working through the process, which is most of them, you know, whether, you know, whether it's up in maine. right now we're doing very well in the state of washington. north dakota. excellent, now in nevada. and our people are in the right places and doing the things to become a delegate. it's way too soon to write anybody off. just because somebody is in
10:20pm
second or third place, there's a race going on. what if mitt romney isn't the best person? >> people have tried to portray you as a kind of ruthless money machine who some failed, some succeeded, you didn't care, you still got your fee, or you made a ton of money but actually quite a few of the companies that made, a lot of people lost their jobs, their livelihoods and lost money. to me the key question is do you know instinctively from your recollections how many of those companies that you went into would have failed anyway if you hadn't? >> well, there's no question but that a number of places where we went in and invested, we were investing in an enterprise that was in trouble, that -- where the future was very much in doubt for it and we invested in one busy think it lost 50 or $60 or more million the year before we invested and a lot of people
10:21pm
didn't want to touch it. we were able to go in there with the current management team, help get the business pack on track as anne vestors the managers really ran it but they were able to turn it around see a real success. the idea that somehow making a business profitable is is different than helping people is really a foreign idea because the whole american free enterprise system is associated with creating success, making businesses profitable. that and that's they could hire more people and grow. and every investment that i made while i was responsible for an investment firm, every investment was designed to try and help the business grow. and to become more successful. >> up next, one of our most fascinating and frustrating interviews. iran as president mahmoud ahmadinejad, one of the most feared men in the world.
10:22pm
>> it's actually the vice president landing. >> let's keep the camera rolling, actually, because this interview has just been interrupted by vice president biden coming over our heads and wrecking his wife's interview. my geico app...see? ty ...i just uh paid my bill. did you really? from the plane? yeah, i can manage my policy, get roadside assistance, pretty much access geico 24/7. sounds a little too good to be true sir. i'll believe that when pigs fly. ok, did she seriously just say that? geico. just click away with our free mobile app. santho, ho, ho!anta! santa! want to see some magic? watch this! merry chr... (crash) ow! i landed on my keys. did you get that? oh yeah.
10:23pm
that was amazing. here you go. that was a fun trick! see? santa's okay. walk it off santa. share videos instantly with s beam. on the galaxy siii and note ii. for a limited time get two flip covers for the price of one. exclusively at verizon.
10:24pm
10:25pm
of all the people i interviewed this year, no one
10:26pm
was as divisive and despised as run's president mahmoud ahmadinejad. his answers were elusive, infuriating and fascinating. i asked what he thinks about israel and then i asked other world leaders what they think about him. >> looking live at new york city, home of the united nations, world leaders from 193 countries are gathering for the annual meeting of the general assembly. president mahmoud ahmadinejad will address the assembly on wednesday. he had some blistering words today. >> you have been condemned very vociferously in america for a comment you have said to have made, that you wanted israel to be wiped off the map, wiped off the face of the earth. there have been many different interpretations what you said. you have disputed the meaning that was then translated from the original farsi. let me give you the opportunity to say exactly what you did say
10:27pm
and to say exactly what you did mean. >> translator: we have been condemned in the united states for many things, for having deposed a dictator with the revolution, for having sought freedom and free elections, for not allowing our oil and national treasure to leave our country freely and for having stood up to very dangerous terrorists in the region, for having stood up against saddam hussein, who enjoyed the backing of many we stood up against him and did not allow the occupation of our territory. we've been condemned for a great many things because we said justice for all, the rule of law for all, the right of peaceful nuclear energy for all.
10:28pm
>> but do you want, do you want, mr. -- >> allow me, sir. allow me. >> the question wasn't any of that. >> but i will get to that answer. don't be in such a hurry. >> should israel be wiped off the face of the map? is that your desire? >> translator: if a group comes and occupies the united states of america, destroys homes while women and children are in those homes, incarcerate the youth of america, impose five different wars on many neighbors and always threaten others, what would you do? what would you say? would you help it? would you help that entity or what you help the people of the united states? so when we say -- when we say to be wiped, we say for occupation
10:29pm
to be wiped off from this world, for war seeking to be wiped off and eradicated, the killing of women and children to be eradicated and we propose the way, we propose the path. >> what they're really saying is despite the fact we deny the holocaust, threaten israel, demonize the united states and all this stuff, we want you to trust us. in spite of the fact that we won't cooperate with the international regime set up to avoid an arms race in the middle east and set up to avoid nuclear proliferation, we want you to trust us. so they don't have a tenable position. the reason nobody believes them is they don't have a tenable position. >> do you trust ahmadinejad? >> not on this i don't. >> his argument is why should america be allowed nuclear weapons, why should israel, who never admitted they have them, why should they be permitted to have them?
10:30pm
why should many countries be allowed nuclear weapons and not iran? >> then why isn't he going for some big are nonproliferation negotiation instead of acting what he really wants is a nuclear bomb because that will help to get everybody to get rid of their nuclear weapons. no serious person believes that. >> president ahmadinejad struck a strangely modifying tone, he's more reasoned than he has been at previous events. one reason is he's genuinely concerned israel may do a preemptive strike and nobody can control what happens next. second, the sanctioning may well be biting. it may now be hurting iran and he's getting a lot of heat from his own people. what do you think? >> i think he will get some amount of heat from his own people. next week for the first time iraq will actually export more
10:31pm
oil than iran. so the whole balance of power in terms of royal production in the region is changes because of the sanctions. on the other hand, i think because of the recent report on the atomic energy committee is there's no sign that they are stepping. they hold views and do things that most people within the region find unacceptable. >> if we cut off iran's ability to export oil and which would face them with the prospect of a devastating economic blow, i think that would be an inevitable war toward war -- to war and i think it would be a very seriously mistake. >> you deliberately avoided any kind of military conflict with iran when you were president. >> yes, i did. i was advised by many of our people to go to war with iran, to bomb them and punish them for holding our hostage. >> do you still think it would
10:32pm
be a terrible error to do that? >> i do. because every one of our hostages came home safe and free. >> when we come back from aurora, colorado to the tragedy of utah, what may be the most controversial topic of the year -- guns in america. wow. it's the honey, it makes it taste so... well, would you look at the time... what's the rush? be happy. be healthy. welcome to chevy's year-end event. so, the 5.3-liter v8 silverado can tow up to 9,600 pounds? 315 horsepower. what's that in reindeer-power? [ laughs ] [ pencil scratches ] [ male announcer ] chevy's giving more. get the best offer of the year -- 0% apr financing for 60 months plus $1,000 holiday bonus cash. plus trade up for an additional $1,000 trade-in allowance. hurry. bonus cash ends january 2nd.
10:33pm
10:34pm
10:35pm
2012 may well be remembered as the year of the gun. the roll call of victims of gun violence in america is truly shocking from aurora, colorado to the sikh semple of wisconsin
10:36pm
and sandy hook elementary school where 20 children were killed, 20 of them first graders. >> breaking news, you're looking live at a community in mourning and shock after one of the worst mass shootings in history. a gunman walked into the sandy hook elementary school in newtown, connecticut and opened fire. >> he came late in my life but jesse was my best friend and my buddy, too. my little boy said something the night before to me and he said, dad, this is going to be the best christmas ever. and he was going on about it and i said, jesse, you know, it's -- you know, we'll make it the best we can and i don't have much family so it's kind of a quiet time for me and he made christmas happy for me and joyful and he made it what it
10:37pm
was and i said to him, jess, we'll make it the best we can. and the next day this tragedy happened that occurred and i thought to myself, boy, was he wrong about that. >> the ar-15, as we've now seen from the last three mass shootings in america, aurora, oregon and now the sandy hook school is the preferred choice of weapon for disturbed young men who want to commit atrocities. the president of the united states has indicated he wants to ban assault weapons like this. what is your view? >> i think we need to ban gun laws that ban people from protecting themselves. all over europe there have been mass murders --
10:38pm
>> you're talking complete and utter -- >> people need to be able to defend themselves toe point of the crime and not for the police to come until after everybody's dead. >> what you said, mr. pratt, the gun deaths in australia and britain, they are 35 people killed a year. your country is 12,000. >> your murder rate is lower than hours, that is true. >> it's 35 against 12,000. >> your violent crime rate -- your violent crime rate is higher than ours, as is the violent crime rate in australia. america is not the wild west that you are depicting. we only have the problem in our cities and unhappily in our schools where people like you have been able to get laws put on the books that keep people
10:39pm
from being able to defend themselves. i honestly don't understand why you would rather have people be victims of a crime than be able to defend themselves. it's incomprehensible. >> you're an unbelievably stupid man, aren't you? >> it seems to. he you're morally obtuse. you seem to be able to prefer being a victim to being able to prevail over the criminal element. i don't know why you want to be the criminal's friend. >> what a ridiculous argument. >> america is in shock tonight over a night of evil, over a dozen people dead and 59 others injured. it's the largest mass shooting in the history of the united states. all the victims wanted was to see the new "batman" film. jamie, did you think that you were going to get out alive or did you fear that everyone was going to die in there? >> no, my thought was this is how it ends, this is how i die, this can't be the way i die,
10:40pm
this can't be the way my son dies he's 4 months and this can't be the way my girl friend dies and my step daughter dies, she's 4 years. just so many things pacing through your head but every time you hear a gunshot, i see it through the corner of my eye, see someone drop and i'm trying to like duck, just trying to get out of the way and people are falling next to me but i'm still all right. and just thinking this is it. >> every time one of these things happens, gabrielle giffords last year, this shooting here, there's an outrage and then very quickly it dissipates. the american quick people quite quickly go back to their normal lives and they don't demand action in the way i would expect them to. why do so many americans not feel angry enough to demand further gun control?
10:41pm
>> i would take it one step further. i don't understand why the police officers across this country don't stand up collectively and say we're going to go on strike, we're not going to protect you unless you, the public, through your legislature do what's required to keep us safe. after all, police officers want to go home to their families and we're doing everything we can to make their job more difficult but more importantly more dangerous by leaving guns in the hands of people who shouldn't have them. >> our big story tonight, trayvon martin shot at close range. >> from everything that you have seen, that you've read, that you've heard, what do you believe is the most likely set of circumstances that led to your son being killed?
10:42pm
>> i believe that george zimmerman hunted my son and because he could not contain my son, an altercation ensued and my son was shot and killed. >> if we reversed this situation and it was your brother that had been gunned down in exactly the same set of circumstances and the worst thing that happened as far as his behavior that was he had been followed and he'd got into an altercation and he was unarmed, he just had a bag of skittles on him and a guy who was much older who followed him in the street pulled out a gun and shot him dead, would you not at the very least, if you're honest and candid about this, would you not have expected that person who at least be arrested, to at least perhaps face some kind of trial where the full evidence could come out?
10:43pm
>> well, in -- you know, i take pause to that whole conjecture given of pulled out a gun and shot him. it's absolutely not fact. >> it is what happened. >> no, it is not what happened. >> did you pull out a shoot and shoot him. >> george showed tremendous restraint. >> but he had the gun on him, right? >> he had a permit to carry that gun. >> where was the gun? >> i believes it was tucked inside his pant waist in a waist holster. >> so he has pulled it out and he has fired it? >> well here, has taken control of his firearm. he prevented his firearm from being taken from him and used against him and that's called saving your life. >> he killed the mother of his baby daughter and then killed himself. >> 70% or more footballers
10:44pm
apparently gary guns. clearly most of them have a lot of money, they drive fast cars, they go to night clubs, they party and all the rest of it. again, i guess it comes back to an overriding sense of the culture of the game is slightly out of control. at least statistics of arrests, for example, suggest that. what can you really do about it? >> i'm not sure what can be done about it exactly. the nfl prohibits the carrying of firearms at any facility, practice facility, any event that's connected to the team, they make a public relations appearance in the stadium i don't know how closely they enforce that. they do prohibit it and they do tell their players in their stated policy that while it is legal to possess a gun, we urge you not to and if you do possess a gun that you use it strictly for protection of home and family and if possibly you're a hunter. it's more likely that something
10:45pm
bad will happen if you're armed than something good will happen. >> coming up, same-sex marriage. are american becoming more liberal? ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] everyone deserves the gift
10:46pm
of all day pain relief. this season, discover aleve. all day pain relief with just two pills. this season, discover aleve. santho, ho, ho!anta! santa! want to see some magic? watch this! merry chr... (crash) ow! i landed on my keys. did you get that? oh yeah. that was amazing. here you go. that was a fun trick! see? santa's okay. walk it off santa. nicely done. exclusively at at&t. buy any samsung galaxy smartphone and get up to $100 off a second samsung galaxy device. both of us actually. our pharmacist recommended it. and that makes me feel pretty good about it. and then i heard about a study looking at multivitamins and the long term health benefits. and what do you know? they used centrum silver in the study. makes me feel even better, that's what i take.
10:47pm
sorry, we take. [ male announcer ] centrum. the most recommended. most preferred. most studied. centrum, always your most complete. the most recommended. most preferred. most studied. with two times the points on dining in restaurants,? you may find yourself asking why not, a lot. chase sapphire preferred. there's more to enjoy.
10:48pm
[ male announcer ] when diarrhea hits, kaopectate stops it fast. powerful liquid relief speeds to the source. fast. [ male announcer ] stop the uh-oh fast with kaopectate. two monumental shifts in american culture in 2012, two states voting to legalize marijuana and same-sex marriage is legal in nine states and the
10:49pm
district of columbia. president obama tipped the scales with the stunning announcement he now supports same-sex marriage. >> how much of it is personal, how much is political? is this a game changer? just yesterday clay aiken said he wished president obama would, quote, hurry up. you must be pretty happy that he reacted so quickly. >> i am. i feel so empowered. >> i mean, a big day, you know, every gay american, a big day for every american in america, whatever reaction you had to it. how did you feel when you heard the news? >> you know, it is a little bittersweet. i'm in north carolina and as a north carolinian, i was really disappointed with the way the amendment initiative vote went yesterday here in north carolina. but it's -- it's very promising to hear president obama finally come up and speak out on
10:50pm
something that's so important. i think the ground swell and the energy behind a lot of the activists and the people who were important in the vote here yesterday in north carolina, that energy made its way to washington and president obama realized that this was a time to speak up and to speak out on the freedom for everyone to marry. >> do you think homosexuality is a sin? >> i think that it's -- it's unnatural. i think that it's detrimental and ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization. >> what do you do if one of your six kids says, dad, bad news, i'm gay? >> i'd sit down and have a heart to heat with him, just like you did with your son. >> if one of my kids said that, i'd say i'm great, son, as long as you're happy. what would you say? >> i wouldn't say that's great,
10:51pm
son, as long as you're happy. i'd say there's all kinds of situations you wrestle through life and just because you feel something doesn't mean you act on it. >> so many people telling children that getting married or being gay is a sin that, itself is incredibly destructive in a country in which seven states have legalized it. >> you are using a standard of morality that telling people such and such of a behavior is sinful, you're using a standard of morality to make that statement and say that is terribly destructive. so everyone is going to have a standard -- >> no, no, listen. i'm not an american. i'm making the point that seven states in america have now legalized gay marriage. >> piers, you're speaking to a man who is a christian and i believe all of us are sinful. i could stand at the top of the list and say i need a savior and an overhaul of the heart more than anyone.
10:52pm
that's what i teach my kids. i teach them the values that i hold dear. >> i interviewed kirk cameron. >> oh, boy! >> talk about growing pains. it wasn't so much that he was opposed, it was the language he used, destructive to civilization. what? people can still feel that. >> i know and it's shocking and, again, like i have lived in new york and california most of my life. i was raised in nuke and certainly a lot of people there still do feel that way and i do forget there are so many parts of our nation that feel that way pip think a lot of it is really lack of knowledge. >> something extraordinary happened on tuesday as voters in colorado and washington state said yes to legalizing marijuana for recreational use. it's a stunning move.
10:53pm
>> when you last did an interview with this show, larry king was the host. >> yeah. >> and you admitted to him halfway through that you were actually high at the time, you had infused yourself of some marijuana. so i've got to ask you the question, have you come similarly infused today? >> what's today? >> it can be any day you like. >> did you have wake up this morning and have a quick, you know? >> i probably did, i probably did, if i remember. you know, that short term stuff. >> do you take a lot of it? >> i think some people have more tolerance, you know, for smoking pot than others and i know people that can take one hit and just go to sleep completely and other guys that can smoke a lot. me and snoop smoke a lot and in every country we've been in. i was in amsterdam one time and snoop called me and wanted me to
10:54pm
sing on his record. he said where are you and i said amsterdam so he caught the next plane and we regarded a song together. >> you and snoop go to mecca and you both have a load of dope and you write some music tonight? >> now with can go to colorado. >> when we come back, words to live by by two very different spiritual leaders. [ male announcer ] in blind taste tests, even ragu users chose prego. prego?! but i've bought ragu for years. [ thinking ] wonder what other questionable choices i've made? i choose date number 2! whooo! [ sigh of relief ] [ male announcer ] choose taste. choose prego. share brotherly love. share one up's. mom ? mom ? the share everything plan.
10:55pm
lets your family share a pool of data across 10 devices with unlimited talk and text. now get a lucid by lg, free. i have a cold, and i took nyquil, but i'm still "stubbed" up. [ male announcer ] truth is, nyquil doesn't unstuff your nose. what? [ male announcer ] it doesn't have a decongestant. no way. [ male announcer ] sorry. alka-seltzer plus fights your worst cold symptoms plus has a fast acting decongestant to relieve your stuffy nose. [ sighs ] thanks! [ male announcer ] you're welcome. that's the cold truth! [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus. ♪ oh what a relief it is! ♪ [ male announcer ] to learn more about the cold truth and save $1 visit alka-seltzer on facebook. [ male announcer ] to learn more about the cold truth why they have a raise your rate cd. tonight our guest, thomas sargent. nobel laureate in economics, and one of the most cited economists in the world. professor sargent, can you tell me what cd rates will be in two years? no. if he can't, no one can.
10:56pm
that's why ally has a raise your rate cd. ally bank. your money needs an ally.
10:57pm
10:58pm
as 2012 comes to 1 and let's leave you with some encouraging words from two of the best non--spiritual leaders of this year. loss back we are here to discuss the world peace summit that you have been asked to speak at. do you think the world is a more peaceful place now than it was when you first became dali lama? >> yes. the fundamental level i think is much better. at least with disappearing at the berlin wall, eventually big change happened. so at least the two blocks, both have their nuclear weapon ready to shoot each other. that is now no longer.
10:59pm
some violence, barry said. but compare during that danger is still today. much better. i think the word pieces almost something, peace, peace, peace. some people who really making every preparation for war but the use the word of peace, peace, peace. >> a very smart premise. you take a statement for every day of the month. very positive during, very get up and the glass half full and not have them. people said it is easier for you, you'reli